Apples, Wild Crabapples

by Green Deane

in Edible Raw, Fruits/Berries, Jam/Jelly, Plants, Trees/Shrubs, Vegetable

Every wild apple has to have at least one worm... free protein.

Every wild apple has to have at least one worm… free protein.

Malus sieversii, Hard-Core Apples

Wild Apples are one of the most common over-looked foraging foods. People take one taste, spit it out, and go on their way.

Because of the story of Johnny Appleseed (who was a real person) most folks think apples aren’t native to North America. There were plenty of apples here when Europeans arrived, but they were Wild Apples not cultivated apples. What’s the difference? Taste and size. Most wild apples are small and sour, domesticated apples tend to be larger and sweeter. What most people don’t know is that wild apples can be baked or roasted (as in near an open fire or in an oven) and made very tasty. While some wild apples are too bitter to eat even after cooking many are transformed into good eats.

Well-treated wild apples can be sweet.

When I was a kid foraging in the Maine woods wild apples were very common. In fact, of the eight or so feral apple trees I knew of only one had a cultivated heritage. It was a Golden Delicious, and my least favorite. The rest were usually sour raw but wonderful when roasted by a campfire (and no pots to clean.)  Unfortunately there are few if any Wild Apples in this area of Florida. It is simply too hot. They like northern climes and people like them. No less a person than New England native Henry David Thoreau wrote a 10,000 word essay on the Wild Apple.

Many wild apples are better cooked than raw.

The domestic apple as we know it has been around some 6,000 years and came from Kazakhstan. There the apple trees growing to 60 feet were the dominant species of the forest. Orchards there today are remarkable in that the trees are very resistant to disease, unlike commercial crops. Further two apples from that area — the Red Delicious and the Golden Delicious — are the parents of 90% of modern commercial eating apples. The Red Delicious was hybridized into the Fuji and the Empire, and the Golden Delicious into the Gala, the Jonagold, the Mutsu, the Pink Lady and the Elstar. The Granny Smith (below right) however, came from a back yard in Australia.

One Granny Smith sprouted in 1868

It originated in 1868 from a chance seedling propagated by Maria Ann Smith (née Sherwood) born 1799, died 9 March 1870. Researchers think it was a chance cross between Malus sylvestris, a European Wild Apple — perhaps from France via Tasmania — with the domestic apple M. domestica. Widely propagated in New Zealand, it was introduced to the United Kingdom around 1935 and the United States in 1972. Each Granny Smith apple today is a clone. Actually every commercial apple is a clone. One cultivated apple that does grows in Florida is the Apple Anna, which was a chance seedling found in the Bahamas and can  withstand the summer heat. Worldwide some 55 million tons of apples are harvested annually worth some $50 billion a year. Americans eat on average, as of this writing, 126 apples a year each. Meanwhile wild apples, which are free, feed mostly wildlife.

Often a wild apple’s taste will be moderated because of hybridizing with cultivated apples. There are no hard and fast rules identifying which are edible raw. You just have to taste and experiment with each wild apple tree you find. They also usually have more cholesterol-reducing pectin than cultivated apples thus are added to other fruits and domestic apples when making jelly. Incidentally, there is no such species as a “crabapple” per se.  Crabapple, like “pearl onion” is  a reference to size. Crabapples, like pearl onions, are small and any small apple can be called a crabapple, any small onion can be a pearl onion.  The fascinating aspect of apples is that every apple seed is totally different than the parent. Something like snow flakes no two apple seeds are genetically alike thus what kind of tree each will produce is a mystery. Every named apple you eat came originally from just one seed and one tree. As mentioned above they are clones which is why it takes a long time to get a new apple into production.

Besides foraging for wild apples I used to help my father make pieces of apple wood into tobacco pipes. We’d find a suitable size piece, rough cut  and drill it then boil it for a few hours to drive the sap out of it. Then it was carved and sanded, and a bit of bass wood became the stem. I still have one of them around after more than 50 years. You can read about that here. If you are a hunter wild apples trees are a good place to find game. When I roamed the woods as a boy wild apple trees were the prime place to flush partridge in the fall and later find deer. Actually a huge variety of wildlife like the apple, among them foxes, raccoons, bears, coyotes, opossums, rabbits, squirrels, grouse, prairie chickens, and quail.  They know good food when they find it.

Johnny Appleseed (Howe’s Historical Collections of Ohio)

Malus sieversii (MAL-us see-VER-see-eye) is the botanical title for these wild fruits. Malus is the Dead Latin word for apple, and Sieverrii honors Ivan Sievers, a Russian botanist who discovered the wild apples in 1793 in Kazakhstan but died before describing the species.  The name was given by Carl Friedrich von Ledebour, who got there in 1830. The word “apple” is also from Dead Latin and means fruit. All that said what about Johnny Appleseed (John Chapman, September 26, 1774 – March 11, 1845.) While he wore a tin pot for a hat and a burlap sack for a shirt, and went barefoot even in the winter, he was an astute businessman. He bought or got land grants ahead of settlers and started apple tree nurseries so when the settlers arrived he had trees to sell. Then he would leave his nurseries in the hands of a local and set out for the frontier again.

While I am on the topic, what about eating apple seeds? There are two things we know for certain: Eating a few at a time is fine, eating a huge amount can make you ill and possibly kill you. What’s a few? What ever seeds you find in one apple is no big deal. In fact, my mother — who died at 88 — often ate a quarter of a cup of seeds at a time but that was living dangerously. For the average person of average weight the fatal dose would be around 114 average-size seeds thoroughly chewed. And what about the story that a man saved up a cup of seeds, ate them, and died from that?

Kingsbury’s book was the standard.

The story got legs when a prominent expert on toxicology, Dr. John M. Kingsbury included it in his book Poisonous Plants of the United States and Canada, Prentice-Hall, 1964. Kingsbury was an associate professor of botany at New York State College of Agriculture and lectured on poisonous plants for the veterinary college. Everyone presumed Kingsbury had proof. But in 1998 in the Journal of Clinical Toxicology there was a letter to the editor grousing about folklore and “plantlore” specifically mentioning Kingsbury. That got me interested in the veracity of the death-by-appleseed story. To be specific I wanted to know the name of the man who ate a cup of apple seeds, where, and when did he die? Basic facts. After all, Kingsbury’s inclusion in his book gave the story legitimacy and it has been quoted extensively ever since. Kingsbury’s bibliography quoted two authors more than two decades earlier: Reynard, G.B., and J.B.S. Norton in Poisonous Plants of Maryland in Relationship to Livestock. Maryland Agricultural Experimental Station, Technical Bulletin. A10, 1942. 312pp. That would make sense as they and Kingsbury had an interest in plants that were toxic to farm animals.

On page 276 of the 72-year old bulletin Reynard and Norton write about prussic acid harming livestock. (Amygdalin is essentially a sugar and cyanide molecule which is safe until digested where upon it releases hydrogen cyanide which used to be called prussic acid.) The cyanide blocks the uptake of oxygen by red blood cells causing asphyxiation. How much material, how chewed the material is, the liquid dilution of the material in the stomach, and how many stomachs you have and your size all affect the extent of the poisoning. In the listing of plants that can harm animals via prussic acid Reynard and Norton include flax, wild black cherry, wild red cherry, choke cherries, peach (kernels) plums, cherry (seeds) apple (seeds) sorghum, lima beans, arrow grass and manna grass.

Original Apple Seed Reference

They note in the last paragraph (to your left:) “Apple seeds are mentioned, not as having caused stock-poisoning, but because of the fact that one instance was recorded from personal inquiry in which an adult man was killed following eating a cup of these seeds at one time. The seeds had been saved up, apparently thought to be a delicacy in small amounts and upon being eaten developed enough of the deadly prussic acid to cause this tragic death. The instance is recorded here as a caution to others who might attempt to eat more than a few of these seeds at any one time. Previous investigators have reported that apple seeds contain appreciable amounts of amygdalin from which prussic acid is developed, but actual reports of poisoning are rare. “

So rare they didn’t or couldn’t say who actually did die from eating apple seeds if anyone ever did. Their reference — a personal inquiry — is as weak as Kingsbury’s. Without a name, a time and place it is but an early urban legend. It may be that someone indeed did died from eating a cup of apple seeds. It is theoretically possible. I say theoretically because if it did happen it was before 1942 and no one thus far in any professional paper has ever identified who it was if anyone.  The best one can come up with is a no-reference warning in a livestock bulletin 72 years ago. A 130-year search by this writer of the New York Times of 437 stories involving prussic acid revealed suicides, murders and a few accidental medicinal deaths. None by an appleseed overdose. I think that would have made the newspaper. The point is the seeds in one apple a day won’t kill an adult. To be on the safe side however, kids, because they are so much smaller, should not eat apple seeds.

For some of the above material I want to give special thanks to Stephanie M. Ritchie, Alternative Farming Systems Information Center, National Agricultural Library, 10301 Baltimore Avenue, Room 132, Beltsville, MD 20705

 Green Deane’s “Itemized” Plant Profile

IDENTIFICATION: A tree seldom more than 20 feet high with a contorted and rigid crown, branches often short and spur like, thorn-like twigs, leaves alternating saw-toothed,  obvious network of veins on either side of the leaf. Quintet of pinkish or white petals, scented. If you cut the apple through at the equator you should see a star shaped core where the seeds develop.

TIME OF YEAR: Fall, if not late fall

ENVIRONMENT: Likes all terrain that is not bone dry or sopping wet, often found on the south side of hills.

METHOD OF PREPARATION: Jelly, fruit, drink, source of pectin. Often they are improved greatly by roasting near a fire or in an oven.


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{ 14 comments… read them below or add one }

1 anthony logan September 17, 2012 at 11:42

hi i have been eaten wild apples all my life i live in canada saint john new brunswick and we have alot of differnt trees and just last night i took my girlfriend picking them and she was shocked i eat them well i dont swallow them i just chew them and suck the juice and some times i eat 20 or more is this going to hurt me if anyone knows get back to me anthony apple seed lol


2 Charles Sutton September 10, 2013 at 18:10

You know very well that apple seeds contain arsnic…


3 Green Deane September 10, 2013 at 19:21

Cyanide naturally… arsnic when man raised.


4 PrepNow September 22, 2013 at 22:41

Apple Cider contains seeds and all (at least here in my area). I’ve not heard that drinking too much cider would hurt ya, except maybe having the runs…lol. Myself, I always loose the seeds before I eat an apple.


5 Marti September 30, 2013 at 17:51

Very interesting! That explains why the Gala apple tree I bought produced Golden Delicious apples. It could be the tree was mis-labeled, or it could be the propagation just didn’t turn out right.


6 Timothy Blevins December 4, 2013 at 22:41

Just FYI, the Golden Delicious was first discovered in Clay County West Virginia


7 Bob Pegram March 13, 2014 at 01:56

Amygdalin is also called Laetrile – supposedly kills cancer cells.


8 zivota nikolic March 20, 2014 at 08:33

We are producing from wild apple, tea, vinegar and juice, all certified organic by EU, USDA and Serbia from 2013 harvest. Health wise is much better then same product from domestic apple. Available on market from may 2014.


9 Dawn Bell May 18, 2014 at 18:50

So, my ‘flowering crab-apple’ is just a small size apple in disguise? I planted a flowering crab-apple, Newtown Pipin, Fuji, Anna, and Dorset. I’m hoping that I will get apples at least some years here in central Texas. My 4-5 year old trees, the crab-apple already puts out a dozen or so fruits, but nothing on the others yet.


10 Crystal July 15, 2014 at 15:16

I also live in Florida and was just wondering if you’ve ever run across a pond apple. I have some by me and though they taste more like a melon they are pretty sweet. They grow in standing water or swamp areas.


11 Green Deane July 15, 2014 at 15:49

I have an article on pond apples. I see them often in south Florida and mention them in my current newsletter.


12 Bendy September 8, 2014 at 11:31

I love reading your articles. I was reading about when to harvest Jerusalem artichokes and I found the answer in your article about them.
I was “born and raised” in West Virginia. The only history class I ever truly enjoyed was 8th grade West Virginia History where I learned about everything from Aaron Burr and Harman Blennerhassett to the origins of the original Golden Delicious apple tree and the surveys of Daniel Boone and George Washington in what is now West Virginia. As a side note, the Grime’s Golden also has its origins in West Virginia.


13 joanthan dance September 29, 2014 at 12:14


Thank you for this article which Google put up as one of the first results when I searched on wild apples.

In Europe, wild apples are Malus sylverstris.

I would be really surprised if you had Malus sieversii in North America as it is native to Central Asia as you rightly point out.


Two of the pictures on this page look more like M. sylvestris than M. sieversii.

The below reference lists the following (native) wild Malus on the Eastern Sea board (I referenced Canada as you mentioned Maine):

the Southern crab apple: M. angustifolia (and the prairie crab apple, M. ioensis)

However, the main point which we can all agree on :-) is that all Malus are “wildly” promiscuous so there are huge numbers of hybrids and also that you folks in the US have a great resource here:

Kind Regards



14 Green Deane September 29, 2014 at 14:11

There’s an apple called the Jonathan.


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